My favorite memory. How gracious she was to let us be a part of everything, that was, that she was a part of when she wasn’t busy. You know, she tape recorded us and would interview us, and she would let us interview her and she would let us help get her organized for whatever was coming up on her agenda, her clothing, her beautiful African clothing, and jewelry. So those things just, Just being around her is probably my best memory. She would take us downtown, the famous bar to eat at the restaurant. She would take us down to the movie theater. That was down. The only movie theater that was in Saint Louis at that time, Stadium Cinema. She, we rode the bus. She did not drive. We, she believed in public transportation and she used it till she couldn't use it anymore.

She very much believed in the nonviolent way, but she was not against needing to be violent, if that’s what was required. But it didn’t stop her. Every. I can’t even begin to tell you how many schools, St. Louis public schools, hell, UMSL, she was responsible for the bridge program from high school to college.  You know that she led the black minority programs at UMSL for years. I think she retired from there. So her works touch, if anybody knows anything about black history and Saint Louis black history, you can't not know it without her name being talked about.

She worked closely with Percy Green, who is a great personal friend of hers. Don't know if you guys talked to Percy about her. Don't know if he would even. He's very Privy to who he'll talk to about her anyway. So. But he is a source of great information. They were in the trenches together in Saint Louis. Was trying to, you know, get things done here. My grandmother, her, their mother got Wohl's Center integrated. She's the one that got arts and crafts classes there for black women when they were not allowed to be in there. So it's in the blood. That's the way, the generations have passed it down, so it and it's still there.

But the the collection of black works, art, photographs. And I have some of her stuff here. The Griot didn't get everything. And how she preserved things. You know, there was a there was somebody had a presidential was it Jesse Jackson? I don't know. But they made a T-shirt that had a real, live clock in it. And I have that. And it's still brand new in plastic, and the batteries in it and the freaking T-shirt works. So she made buttons. She made matter of fact, she was good friends with them, the comedian from Saint Louis,  Dick Gregory. She was good friends with Dick. I have a lot of, you know, memorabilia from there, but she had enough wherewithal about her. She believed in black entrepreneurs. She supported them in any way she could. She was one herself. And she preserved everything Black. I mean, she's got a collection, a collection of artwork and things and papers on Yasuke, The Black Samurai. You know that nobody ever heard. I mean, and I've got those papers, actually. But she had a collection of books that are out of print. That are black history that will probably never be seen again, you know? So and with what's going on now, politically, they probably have just become more valuable. And she probably has more than any university in this country. She probably has more works than they do, and her works comes from her experience. A lot of it comes from her direct experience. So it's, she's a treasure, not just to Saint Louis. She is a treasure to black history.